Episode 16: Oprah and Gail

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Episode 16 features two very special guests and a lack of two very special hosts. When will we ever all be together again?

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Show Notes

Hundreds of people squeal as we introduce angstgoddess003 and Angel/EZrocks

News
-Alice and Jasper Lemon contest
-Twilight Widowers Anonymous
-Anna's "Fandom News" column
-You're Never Too Young to Start Writing
-Twilight Body Swapping Contest
-Twilight Give and Take (Idea Exchange :P)

Listener Emails
-If you have any recs for fics about vampire Alice finding what remains of her human family, leave them in the comments
-Edward vs Jasper: the new debate! (Christine is on team Jasper)

Interviewing the Guests!
-Anna cheats at answering the most important question
-Anna may hurt you for talking to Sam
-Oprah and Gail...why?

Check out Wide Awake's own fandom here

Our Audio Fanfiction Contest Winners! ...finally

Main Discussion - Prejudice about characters in the fandom
-Can Edward do no wrong?
-Can Bella do no right?
-Christine can't run, and this is relevent
-Christine's lessons in marketing

Music Game segment thingy...still looking for a name
Spiderwebs by No Doubt
Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen
Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls
Addicted by Saving Abel

What Are We Reading this Week?

Stories Mentioned this Week

Breakfast at Tiffany's by hmonster4
Truth in Advertising by vjgm
There are Worse Things I Could Do by Angel
Creature of Habit by Angel
Wide Awake by angstgoddess003
Of Gemini and Gypsies by angstgoddess003
The Fallout by OCDindeed
Ladders by marve
Bonne Foi by amythest jackson
Stitches and Scars by bittenev
Sanctuary by Jfly
Black and White by Vixen1836
The Office by tby789 and kyla713
Inspiration by Isabel0329
coughHIPScough
Mutually Assured Destruction by jandco
Loving You Against My Will by whitereflections12
Gravity by Nightshade

73 Responses to "Episode 16: Oprah and Gail"

cdunbar Says :
May 12, 2009 at 1:02 PM

We totally forgot to mention the forum thing... oops.

Caitlin Says :
May 12, 2009 at 1:40 PM

well, it isn`t like we`ve made up our minds about that...

Jax Says :
May 12, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I'm listening right now, but I had to stop for a second and do this:

"WHOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! YEAH! WOOT! YAY!"

I got judges choice! And your prize is not crappy - it's great! I'm so excited! And congrats HW on winning legitimately and not having to resort to using an innocent child's laughter to manipulate the judges...

Everyone did awesome and it was a lot of fun! Thanks guys!

KayRad816 Says :
May 12, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Congrats to the winners of the contest! Not me! I got 2nd place! woo-hoo! lol. Oh, and the prize is awesome, I sooo wanted to win just because of that!!!

Another great episode. I love the game thing you guys do. I sometimes think of fics I've read when I'm listening to music, just because they come to mind. And great song choices too. "Iris" is actually my ringtone right now! =]

And I was the one that rec'd "Loving You Against My Will" on the idea exchange! Yay, I feel so special that you liked it! It's one of my favorites and I'm super anxious for an update. Maybe you guys can use your magic update powers on that story! lol.

Well...once again a hilarious episode. You guys and your guests rock!

-Kayla

Krissy Says :
May 12, 2009 at 4:54 PM

Hi Ladies! I'm Calin-Durus one of the hosts from The Peenater's contest and I wanted to say thank you for mentioning us on your podcast :)

also the link you have up isn't working... wasn't sure how to report that sorry...

cdunbar Says :
May 12, 2009 at 5:17 PM

The link works now, Krissy/Calin-Durus. At least, I hope it works for other people.

It works for me. Heh.

Jax, you didn't manipulate us with your adorable child. You were already one of my favorites before he came on. :)

Dori (xsecretxkeeper) Says :
May 12, 2009 at 8:02 PM

Hey! You guys did the email thing at the end! I was beginning to think that I just couldn't hear it or something. See, I'm not crazy ^_^

Congrats to the winners of the contest. They were awesome. As were you ladies. Great show, as always. It's funny, but I think I may be one of the few people that have the ability to dislike Edward while loving him originally. I really can't stand doucheward if he's too over the top jackassy and if there is no real story there. There always has to be a story. Athough, I'm reading one right now that I can't stop reading, but I really kind of hate it. Edward's is a complete dick and Bella is too stubborn to admit she was wrong. And it was a really stupid thing to be wrong about too. But, yeah, I can't stand a douchey Edward just as much as I can't stand Bella the bitch.

And I agree with Caitin on the plagerism thing. There are no original ideas. Everything stems from something else, so why go out of your way to find something similar to your story and then have to change it? Plausible deniability! This is the reason I don't read Teacher/Student fics. I have my own idea for where I want my story to go and I don't want to have to change it if I read it somewhere else first. That's just me, though.

Great show, guys!
-Dori

Caitlin Says :
May 12, 2009 at 10:23 PM

holy crap.

I didn't realize that was you. I just read Lesson's in Forbidden Love. You replied to my review.

Sigh. I feel like an ass now. I told you how I cried...

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 13, 2009 at 3:51 AM

haha, yeah that's me ^_^ I remember seeing your SN and being like, I know that person from somewhere. Then I clicked on you FFn profile and saw the little Canadian flag and immediately made the corelation to here, lol. I did read the rest of the profile just in case, but I was pretty sure ^_^

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:15 AM

I haven't finished the entire podcast, but I have to tell you I spent a ridiculously long amount of time on my commute home last night plugging in the Cullens into 6 character TV show characters.

Here is what I came up with for Buffy:

Edward -> Angel (this is a given)
Jasper -> Spike
Emmett -> Xander
(these last two I went back and forth over, but I decided that captn peroxide is hot and there was a great legion who wanted him with Buffy, so it has to be Jasper. Xander may be scrawny, but is loving and provides comic relief, so he fits more with Emmett)
Rosalie -> Cordelia
Alice -> Willow
Bella -> Buffy (this pained me, it really did, Isabella Marie Swan doesn't hold a candle to Buffy Anne Summers, but it does fit)

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What is interesting is if you plug them into Angel. The boys are easy.

Edward -> Angel
Jasper -> Wesley
Emmett -> Gunn
Alice -> Fred
now, we have Cordelia, who was perfectly Rose in Buffy, but I'm thinking perhaps Bella fits better for Angel. Esp with the whole creepy baby thing from that gawdawful storyline.
So I guess that means Rosalie -> Lorne? I mean Lorne is a bit obsessed with his looks and loves the spotlight. RIP Lorne.

God, I have problems. I even put them into the Brady bunch & Saved by the Bell (sorry Jasper, you had to be Screech). This is going to be my new game for long commutes. I think I laughed at myself for a solid 15 min with how I'd rationalize these things.

So thanks for the laughs again.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 11:57 AM

Ok, first of all, you seem confused about who exactly the six from buffy are. Spike does not factor in.

Buffy -> Bella
Angel -> Edward
Willow -> Alice (this is the only one that's a little weird to me)
Xander -> Emmett
Cordelia -> Rosalie
Oz -> Jasper (they are almost the exact same person, notice that in a lot of fics where the boys are in a band, Jasper plays base)

You could even put Carlisle as Giles and Esme and Jenny (Miss Calendar) even though she met an untimely demise.

Spike can be Jake...make Dru Rennesme...bwahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha that almost fits..

meltdown17 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 12:15 PM

Hmm... wouldn't Alice be Cordelia in Angel? She's not as bitchy as she was in Buffy, she likes to shop, she's Angel's 'best friend' and has visions.

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 2:12 PM

Actually Drucilla is sort of like Alice back in her human days, some batshit crazy gal with visions and what not.

Big daddy Carlisle is definitely Giles. Esme is Ms. Calendar. Definitely agree.

Oz was not nearly as integral in Buffy as Spike was. Hello, Spike ended up saving the world by sacrificing himself in the finale, Oz went off to have were-babies. If you include Oz, he is obvs Jake with the whole werewolf connection.

Cordy becomes Angel's love interest though in Angel, pretty much even in the final season he still loves her and only her. Plus then there is the whole sleeping with the son of your boyfriend to create whatever the hell her name was. Jasmine. The ultimate creepy baby. Bella fits more with Cordy.

Plus I can see Alice more as Fred, the sort of out there gal who is a little weird, but you love anyway. Plus Fred/Wesley works if Jasper is Wes.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 2:24 PM

Rish, I block anything season four related. Angel romantically involved with Cordelia creeps me out. A lot!

I get what you're saying about Oz and Jake...they are both werewolves, but Oz wasn't ever interested in Buffy, and personality wise is much closer to Jasper. You have to admit that.

Anyways, I have very little respect for Spike as a good guy. Very little. He lost most of what I loved about him and I only ever understood parts of his relationship with Buffy (season 6 made sense to me, they were using each other, season 7 however didn't. I could never sleep in the arms of a man who tried to rape me)

As far as Cordelia as Alice, I admit parts of that work very well, but mostly Cordelia just seems so much like Rosalie to me. Personality wise. I figure supernatural abilities can be assigned to anyone, its the personalities that matter because they are what create the group dynamic

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 2:34 PM

Okay, here it goes, i brought it up so i get final say right?

Edward=Angel
Bella=Buffy
Alice=Cordelia (visions etc)
Jasper=Oz
Emmett=Xander (comic relief and did you see the swim team episode-shockingly built)
Carlisle=Giles
Esme=Joyce (buffy's mom)
Rosalie=Willow (by default)

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 2:37 PM

ooops.

Jacob=Spike

cdunbar Says :
May 13, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Ew. But that means Alice/Emmett and Rosalie/Jasper pairings.

There's just something wrong about that.

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 5:32 PM

hmmmm maybe.

you gotta let it go because on Buffy they all mix it up anyway.

Angel/buffy/cordelia/darla
spike/ buffy/harmony/drucilla
cordelia/xander/angel/demon child

well and then willow switches teams and is with Jessica stanley or someone...

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 5:55 PM

Cordy didn't have visions though until Angel, in Buffy she was so much more Rosalie than Alice.

Angel season 4 blew, I spent a large part of that season saying "W-T-F" aloud. Jasmine. *shudder* Any season that names an episode "Shiny Happy People" after the worst REM song ever is just fail.

Personality wise Jasper is very Oz, agreed. If you take into account that Oz would lose control and attempt to attack the Scooby gang, it fits as well.

I could go on forever so I'll just shut up now.

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 13, 2009 at 5:57 PM

I can't see Bella as Buffy. Way OOC, yeah, but in canon, definitely not.I say we make Edward Tara so Bella can be Willow. The Jake really can be Oz XD

OR!!! We can make Angel Edward, Cordy can be Bella and then Evil spawn matches up with evil spawn! Oh, wait. No, then Bella would end up seducing Renesmee.

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:00 PM

ummmm...i understand not being able to see Bella being Buffy...but.

i mean we put bella into all kinds of positions all the time. why cant she be a kick ass super slayer? Bella is always ready for a fight, she never runs, she is right there with the rest of them and she REALLY wants to be like them.

because really...if Bella can be a dominatrix or a office slut, or all those other things why can she be a super smart, super hot, super vamp killing girl?

Jax Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:08 PM

because if she was super hot and super smart and super not-clumsy, I wouldn't be able to relate to her anymore and the possibility of a girl like me finding a perfect, beautiful, sexy guy like Edward and having him fall in love with me would be out of my reach and all of my hopes and dreams would be crushed, my hopes for the future would be extinguished, and I would possibly lose the will to live.

that's why.

and also because she faints at the sight of blood.

Jax Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:12 PM

"i mean we put bella into all kinds of positions all the time..."

We actually make Edward put Bella into all kinds of positions all the time...

AngstGoddess003 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:15 PM

Okay. First, I must say. This should be generalized as BuffyVERSE, not just Buffy.

In that regard, Cordelia -> Alice, all day long.

Precog, loves shopping, is nosy and enthusiastic, etc. I mean... this is utter perfection. Any way you cut it.

Also, here is my final listing:

Edward=Angel
Bella=Buffy
Alice=Cordelia
Jasper=Xander
Angela=Willow
Ben=Oz
Emmett=Gunn
Carlisle=Giles
Esme=Joyce
Rosalie=Darla
Renesmee=Connor

That's just preliminary, of course. And again, this uses the entire BuffyVERSE. So... it's a little different.

Bella can soooooo be Buffy. I mean... uppercase 'B', vowel, double consonant, vowel ('y' counts as vowels sometimes), even the names are almost exact.

It is uncanny, people!

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:16 PM

Possibly we should all just agree to disagree?

but Jasper is Oz...

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:20 PM

Ok, forget my last comment.

Xander can't be Jasper. Xander's thing was always that he didn't have a power like the rest of them. It was one of the defining things about his character. Emmett shares the same quality. They don't have all these extra things going on for them. Their simple (in a good way) and are the best people to be outside observers on all the drama.

They're the ones that really know whats going on because they willingly take a step bake.

Although, I am intrigued with Willow as Angela

AngstGoddess003 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:23 PM

True. But I'm more comfortable fitting Jasper into Xander than Cordelia into Willow to keep the coupling canon. Just sayin'.

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:26 PM

as usual i agree mostly with AG.

mostly.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:28 PM

Do Gunn and Darla get together?

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:29 PM

Bella is Buffy. At first it pained me, but really there are a lot of parallels between them.

-were isolated because they were different -moved to a new town as a teen
-grew up before their peers had to
-loved a vampire who was different than other vampires
-wasn't afraid to stand up and fight
-were extremely stubborn
-would have sacrificed themselves for their loved ones

AngstGoddess003 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:33 PM

Well, the gunn and Darla thing does worry me. I think Rosalie would make a fantastic Gwen Raiden though, and her and Gunn were freakishly close to being canon.

And also... the whole Willow and Fred thing makes me grumpy that Twilight canon lacks a female of really strong intelligence. I mean, I can plug Angela into Willow, yes. But Fred is just gone. And don't EVEN get me started on Tara.

Where are the fem-geeks, SM? WTF?

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:35 PM

I do like Jasper as Xander because as proven in the Season 6 finale, Xander's "power" was his empathy and heart.

Gunn and Darla never got together. Gunn was only ever with Fred as far as I can remember.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM

Thats true.

Perhaps thats why there is so much geek in FF.

We, the geeks, need more geek.

...and I'm really intrigued by the idea of doing a Buffy podcast now. Sigh. I don't think I have time. But I want to. I REALLY want to.

AngstGoddess003 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:41 PM

Hmm. We don't see a lot of geeky Bella though. I love Geekward, (Especially Cdunbar's), but finding a TRUE Bella geek... I haven't. Usually, when people say, "This Bella is geeky," they mean that she wears ugly [flattering] clothes, likes books [reads a lot], is mousy [and sexy to Edward], and usually, is finding her sexuality by means of ogling Edward [daydreams].

But that's not real geek to me.

I want to see that bitch wax poetic on motherboards or some shit.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:46 PM

Me too!

We will have to search this out. And post it on the Give and Take.

I'm sure with our combined effort we can make it happen...through little to no work of our own

mozzer0906 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 6:48 PM

I would love a geeky Bella in ff

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM

Ah, *scratches head* yeah, I was majorly joking, lol. I was semi-serious about Not seeing Bella as Buffy, but you've convinced me. But I don' really read extrememly OOC Bellas so that might have been why I was so hesitant.

And I agree that we need more geek in the form of Bella. Frenemies was awesome with geek Bella, but she was extremely kickass in a non-conventional geek way.

cdunbar Says :
May 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM

*sigh*

^That^, that entire exchange is why we need a forum.

This has just gotten insane.

And yes, geeky Bella would be win. Someone should write a parallel story to mine with a geeky Bella and a frat boy Edward.

Anonymous Says :
May 13, 2009 at 7:07 PM

Hey guys,
Sorry to interrupt the rather epic Bella/Buffy discussion, but I'm having trouble with the podcast--I can hear Caitlin but everyone else is muffled chattering that I can't understand, no matter how high I turn up the volume. Is there a way I can fix it?
I was really excited to listen to this episode, so any help would be much appreciated! :)

AngstGoddess003 Says :
May 13, 2009 at 7:08 PM

Or just geeky E AND B. I mean... I see no issue with equal footing in that regard.

The shyness is always fun to read, Especially when it's Edward, because Bella is either painfully shy or just really slutty and we're all used to that.

Yes. This needs posted on the Give and Take.

And yes.

Get a forum.

I'll code it and skin it, because I am a geek, and fucking proud of it.

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 13, 2009 at 7:24 PM

Deeeefinitely need a forum. And I would die if someone made a parallel to Resident Geek with Edward as the frat guy. That would be so awesome ^_^

angel Says :
May 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM

yep (waves hand in front of face jedi master style)

exactly.

Caitlin Says :
May 13, 2009 at 10:18 PM

OH!

Anonymous, with the audio problems. Sorry I took so long to answer, I was out visiting my new friends kitten.

What happened was this...er...well, you don't need to know the specifics, lets just say that I SHOULD have mixed the audio track down to mono. But I didn't, its stereo. I'm on one side, and everyone else is on the other. So, if there's an issue like, your headphones aren't plugged in all the way, or not both channels are working, or you only have mono input, you're only going to hear me.

Now, if you only have mono output, it SHOULD smush them both together. But I can't guarentee that.

I can't give you more specifics unless you tell me what your using to listen.

mozzer0906 Says :
May 14, 2009 at 4:46 AM

Love the idea of a reverse RG with Bella as the nerd and Edward as the frat boy. Both of them being nerdy works for me too.

Someone needs to make it so.

Jax Says :
May 14, 2009 at 12:46 PM

I was already planning to make Bella a little geeky when she warms up in my AU-H fic... now it's just going to look like I stole that idea.

Oh well.

whenpoetryrises Says :
May 14, 2009 at 2:14 PM

Caitlin,
This is Anonymous, from earlier. Thank you for the help! :) For some reason it still won't work on my headphones, even though they are plugged in, but it works on my speakers, so I'm all set! I would have tried that last night, but people were sleeping.
I hope you had fun with the kitten! My friend has some and I wanted to steal them and take them home with me. They're so cute.

Also, a geeky Bella would be awesome! :) I would most definitely read that story.

Caitlin Says :
May 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM

Jax,

the whole point is to steal the idea! That's what the give and take is all about. In the end, it isn't important who comes up with good ideas, as long as they get done.

There's no use sitting on something,that could be great, just because you're determined that it has to be yours. It might never happen then.

Jax Says :
May 14, 2009 at 3:48 PM

I'm so inspired right now. I want to write this story. I want to share all my ideas with everyone! I want to let people steal my stories and put their own name on them!!! woah. wait. no.

but of course, Caitlin, you are absolutely right. It doesn't matter. so... Geeky Bella, here I come.

sweetdulci Says :
May 14, 2009 at 7:34 PM

If you're looking for geeky Bella & Edward, what about McVampy's Frenemies? It's insanely smutty and oh-so-silly, but they're charming over achievers there. Mathletes, chess club, debate team, valedictorian competition...And if nothing else, all of Edward's boob nicknames are hilarious, but I digress...

Now, back to the podcast...I was thinking about all the things that were discussed regarding non-canon pairings, demonizing characters, etc. Here are some thoughts:

Demonizing - someone has to be the bad guy, right? I don't think it's anything personal, it's just done to fuel the plot. It's obvious to place James, Jacob, Mike, Lauren, Jessica, and Tanya in those roles b/c they stirred negative emotions within the books. Manipulating them for the sake of FF is just part of the game, IMO.

As far as the non-canon pairings go, I think a lot of that comes from people trying to create something that is edgy or different. With Jasper, he's a mysterious, intriguing and powerful character we really don't have an abundance of knowledge about. That makes him smexy. Since Bella is the automatic heroine, it can be fun to shake things up for her. Jasper can also be made into practically anything we want him to be. Many times in AH stories, he becomes quirky or an outsiders, which I find to be very charming. I could go on forever about the use of Jasper, though. I've thought about it far too much on my own.

One final note is that sometimes when writing OOC, authors stop thinking about how other people will perceive a character when you use their name. I've arbitrarily thrown a character name into my own writing before and had people come back and comment on how unexpected that usage was. But to me, I was just thinking about MY character, not SM's character. For instance, I used Garrett as a semi-romantic interest for Bella. I chose him b/c I think of him as all rugged and sexy, but readers were totally thrown off b/c they'd never consider that pairing. Some really liked it, others didn't. I guess it all comes down to how accepting readers are of anything non-canon. Some can handle it, others are just too hard core canon to read anything else.

Caitlin Says :
May 14, 2009 at 7:51 PM

I, unfortuneatly, am mostly too hard core cannon. But that begs the question, what is canon?

There were so many characters in Twilight that we didn't really get to know because it was all told from Bella's perspective, one could argue that Garrett had a bit of a crush on Bella before really getting to know Kate.

Sure, there isn't really anything supporting that idea, but there isn't really anything against it either.

And, really, I just wanted this to get 50 comments...cause that's awesome.

diamondqull Says :
May 15, 2009 at 2:25 AM

sweetdulci- Frenemies has been taken down becuase McVampy wants to try and get it published as a screenplay or something.

sweetdulci Says :
May 15, 2009 at 4:25 AM

50 comments - yah & win, of course

I enjoy all variety of stories, so I guess I don't discriminate canon vs. non-canon. To each their own, right? Thousands of story choices for thousands of readers. *shrugs* I just having effing with the characters!

And I did not know that about Frenemies...I hadn't looked at it after I finished reading it. I guess someone else really does have to write another geek Bella story, though canon Bella might argue that she IS geek Bella compared to Edward. Think about it =)

Definately Says :
May 15, 2009 at 6:07 AM

For anyone listening to this podcast that hasn't read The Office - it's more than just smut. Yes, it's got some fantastic 'dirty' scenes in it, but that's not all it's about.

It's on my Must Read C2 - and if you're looking for a well-written exciting read, you should check it out. http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4871509/1/The_Office

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:32 AM

A twilight fic adapted to become a movie?

Oh gosh.

And now I just feel like pushing it toward 60.

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM

Oh, and another thought; I think that some people demonize Bella in their stories because they hate her on a personal level. Subconciously they are insanely jealous of her relationship with the incredible (albeit ((and they sometimes forget this)) FICTIONAL!) Edward Cullen.

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM

I don't hate her, I'm just indifferent to her. She's really not that interesting. If she was a real person, and we knew each other in RL, I don't think we would be friends.

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:33 AM

Also her complete lack of a past really bugs me. So she showed up in Forks at the age of 17 and that was the day she was born?

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:34 AM

I also feel like the number of characters in the series with unexplored personalities and pasts is part of what lends Twilight to fanfiction. It's so outrageously fun to play with them.

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:37 AM

Almost there...

Oh, and you know what? I think geeky Bella will be sort of hard. Because what I might define as geeky might not be the same for other people. For example; I don't think chess club is THAT nerdy. It's not... right?

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 7:37 AM

Okay wow.

I am so abnoxious.

cdunbar Says :
May 15, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Since we're at 60, we might as while strive for 100...

And chess club is a little nerdy. But my high school didn't have a chess club, or av club, or any other club that one considers 'nerdy'. I only had debate and band. Those were the bottom totem pole organizations at my school.

Bella in Twilight is geeky on some level. She likes to read (classics to boot), which isn't the case for everyday teenagers. She listens to classical music, also not 'normal'. She doesn't really care about the latest trends or gossip.

I think we could have been friends.

If nothing else, we could have discussed literature.

angel Says :
May 15, 2009 at 8:59 AM

i have no idea what was on the bottom of the nerdy list at my school...at the time probably band although i know this is no longer the case.

but yeah, bella is not a stretch for geeky at all. i'm ready for someone to write it...ready...set ....

now, from up above, i may have been the one to make a comment about The Office being a smut fic. I apologize if that was incorrect. I think my point was that all i keep hearing is that 1. its good. 2. its dirrrrty.

now of course im all intrigued....

Tempation Staff Says :
May 15, 2009 at 9:38 AM

I don't think the office is just smut. I wouldn't like it as much as I do if it was just dirty. It's got an awesome relationship dynamic between Edward and bella. But you have to admit sex is the first thing you think about when you think of it.

mozzer0906 Says :
May 15, 2009 at 9:46 AM

I went to a high school for nerds. You had a special test in program to determine your nerd worthyness.

Nerds back in my day (which is like when Rob was in diapers) was being a mathlete, being on the chess club, playing D&D, being ridiculously into Star Wars or Star Trek, taking summer school not because you had to - but rather because you wanted to to get ahead, band, being able to actually program anything on a computer (back then it was like the UNIVAC you learned on), taking Japanese because you felt like it, taking more AP classes than regular classes, etc.

The Office is a great story with great smut. It is one of my must-read-now fics. The story is what draws me to it though.

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Aw crap.

I was in band.

I keep hearing about The Office; that it's smutty and people are obsessed. I think maybe I need to read it just so I'll know what it's actually about and I'll stop having this mental image of Bella perched provocatively on the corner of her desk, trying to seduce Steve Carell.

cdunbar Says :
May 15, 2009 at 12:09 PM

*snort*

Jax... I'm going to have nightmares now about Bella seducing Steve Carell.

Noooo, Bella! Go after Jim! Not Michael!

Jax Says :
May 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM

no no, Jim is mine.

Uh oh, now Dwight is trying to seduce Bella...

Ew, ew, ew! Make him stop! Make hime stop!

Alright, I better go find a link to this story before things get entirely out of hand...

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 17, 2009 at 12:42 AM

Wow, I must have gone to a weird high school. We really had no bottom of the totum pole...unless you could the cheerleading squad. But seriously, band and theatre geeks made fun of the freshmen football team, a lot of the Varsity and JV athletes were IN theatre or band, the football players mostly dated volleyball or softball players, Gay-Straight Alliance was a popular club, etc., ect., etc. That's how my school operated.

Caitlin Says :
May 17, 2009 at 1:13 AM

Mine was similar. Although, its possible that was just my year. I've heard bad things about the classes just above and just below me being relly cliquey.

I was in band! And I'm in tech theatre now. Also, I've never met an actor (theatre or otherwise) that was a complete nerd as seen in pop culture. To be an (good) actor you have to be completely at ease with yourself. Confident, so that you can stand in front of all these people and make a fool of yourself.

Most actors I know are very extroverted, "popular" types.

mozzer0906 Says :
May 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM

The nerds in my school were not the bottom of the totem pole, there were too damn many of us to be ostracized in such a way. I think there were more nerds than another other single group. That is the beauty of being in a school that is like Fame, but with nerds.

Dori (xsecretxkeeperx) Says :
May 17, 2009 at 4:49 PM

haha, very true. Although, I had to fake confidence. I was so shy back in the day and it hindered me getting parts even though my actual monologues were pretty good. But since I've been acting, I've had to fake confidence so much that I actually think I have some now, lol.

sweetdulci Says :
May 18, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Erm....maybe I'm blind or dumb...where is the email addy for general questions/discussion for future podcasts? I think I've got a goodie.

cdunbar Says :
May 18, 2009 at 2:24 PM

On the right, under 'Your Hosts', there's a line that reads 'You can email us here.' Click on the 'here' part of that and it'll take you to our email address.

Or you can just type it in yourself. It's temptationtwilight@gmail.com.

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